Curse

Drakken Breathes Fire · Jul 06, 2008, 02:35 PM // 14:35

I've been toying with the idea of using a Mesmer primary for an [illusionary weaponry] build with [feigned neutrality] and [illusion of weakness] as complimentary skills.

Qestions that need ot be answered;

Does [illusionary weaponry] make ALL attack skills (dagger specifically) auto miss and deal the armor ignoring damage instead or only normal attacks?

If so, would it be best to not spec into dagger mastery at all and get a better attribute to spam attack skills?

How do you make the best use of [feigned neutrality]? [arcane echo], [deadly paradox] and extended enchantment mods?

Dwarf Teh Guru · Jul 06, 2008, 02:55 PM // 14:55

Illusionary Weaponry makes all your attacks automaticly miss, so attack skills won't work either, it just does the armor ignoring dmg and that's it.

No, you shouldn't put any attribute points into Dagger Mastery, since it won't make any difference.

~Dwarf.

Abedeus · Jul 06, 2008, 03:11 PM // 15:11

Actually, it will make a difference. 5 dagger mastery = 10% chance for double attack. 10 dagger mastery = 20% chance for double attack. More attacks = more DPS.

Dwarf Teh Guru · Jul 06, 2008, 03:14 PM // 15:14

You should only put your leftovers into Dagger Mastery, since you also need to stay alive. Therefor you should have 12 in shadowarts, and bring skills such as Feigned Neutrality, Dark Escape, etc..etc.

odly · Jul 06, 2008, 03:16 PM // 15:16

you could add dark escape to that concept as well I think. Make it last long enough with dwarven stability.

Still won't do as much damage as a dagger sin though...

cgruber · Jul 07, 2008, 01:54 PM // 13:54

IW can be fun and shadows arts works well with it but it seriously needs a buff to be more useful than other options in the mesmer line.

DarkNecrid · Jul 07, 2008, 01:58 PM // 13:58

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Actually, it will make a difference. 5 dagger mastery = 10% chance for double attack. 10 dagger mastery = 20% chance for double attack. More attacks = more DPS.

Barely.

Me/W is > even a Me/A in even ~40 Dagger Mastery because Flurry is the equivalent of having a 50% chance to double strike.

Hugh Manatee · Jul 07, 2008, 05:01 PM // 17:01

Me/Ws are easier to kill and have fewer defenses, yet do slightly more damage in pvp

Me/As survive pvp longer and have more options for cover enchants but do a bit less damage.

Me/D has a decent balance of defence and offense.

Painbringer · Jul 07, 2008, 07:29 PM // 19:29

[Dark Escape] don’t leave home without it!!!!! speed boost to get to target and good duration

[shroud of distress] IMO better the [Illusion of weakness]

[conjure nightmare] Degenerate while hitting with armor ignoring damage

[Vipers's Defense] Wait for grouped targets or to get out of bad situation always good to poison more degeneration the better

Lishy · Jul 07, 2008, 09:19 PM // 21:19

M/A seems interesting.
Any good builds for PvE? What seems to be the problem I see with IW is the average DPS...
Maybe IW just plain needs a buff?

Stormlord Alex · Jul 07, 2008, 10:23 PM // 22:23

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

Maybe IW just plain needs a buff?

Elite enchantment spell.
For X seconds, target ally's attacks are unblockable and deal +Y damage.

Conjure + Guided Weapon on a warrior friend = leetsauce

odly · Jul 08, 2008, 07:21 AM // 07:21

Kurzick/Luxon skill might be an option too. I cannot remmember the name right now, but I think it has self heal and armor buff and being blinded is not going to bother you.

GourangaPizza · Jul 08, 2008, 07:25 AM // 07:25

This [Critical Agility]? 12 chars

odly · Jul 08, 2008, 11:45 AM // 11:45

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Originally Posted by GourangaPizza

This [Critical Agility]? 12 chars

Nope. That's the Sunspear one, which won't work since you won't get critical hits.

I'm thinking of the Kurzick/Luxon one which gives you health regen, +40 armour and blinds you.

Stormlord Alex · Jul 08, 2008, 11:49 AM // 11:49

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Originally Posted by odly

Nope. That's the Sunspear one, which won't work since you won't get critical hits.

I'm thinking of the Kurzick/Luxon one which gives you health regen, +40 armour and blinds you.

[shadow sanctuary (luxon)]

or... [shadow sanctuary] if you're a tree-hugger.

Bowstring Badass · Jul 10, 2008, 01:10 AM // 01:10

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

[shadow sanctuary (luxon)]

or... [shadow sanctuary] if you're a tree-hugger.

Nice lol. Anyway iw is just bad.

FF_Timmeh · Jul 10, 2008, 10:45 AM // 10:45

asassin profession is only a good thing for doing crits and shadowing.

while your doing illusionary weapon u cant do anything of this.

a good secondary profession for this kind of build is still warrior since you need the +16 armor from shield.
+10 tactics for example.. 1 blockstance for fleeing

skills like "unstopable" armor , "shiver (w)" ias "move like dwarf" for kd and slow target

dont do much casting things... think like a warrior who needs mor def then attack but with a higher mana pool

€: i understand IW-builds as fun builds... so i put in pve skills its no good for pvp cause no condis at all.

Div · Jul 10, 2008, 10:53 AM // 10:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh Manatee

Me/Ws are easier to kill and have fewer defenses, yet do slightly more damage in pvp

Me/As survive pvp longer and have more options for cover enchants but do a bit less damage.

Me/D has a decent balance of defence and offense.

Or...you could take a good elite and be a good mesmer instead of one that tries to be like a warrior but fails at doing DPS.

I'd take bad skills in PvE, because anything works really, but telling me to gimp myself in PvP is just silly, because losing's not fun.

Hugh Manatee · Jul 10, 2008, 04:45 PM // 16:45

^take an IW Me/A in RA, AB, FA and tell me you're not having fun destroying SF/crit defense assassins,terra tanks, HH or riposte tank warriors, touch rangers and all the other suck builds you see in there. IW may suck, but it's the king of suck.

Super Igor · Jul 10, 2008, 05:28 PM // 17:28

assassins ownz IW mesmers big tiem!